Topics: How to Believe in Yourself, Self Doubt in Business, Business Skills for Musicians
How to Believe in Yourself As An Entrepreneur or Creative…
If self-doubt in business has ever made you question your talent or hold back from showing up—this conversation is inspiration fire for you!
Cassandra Claude talks about talent, visibility and how self-belief is built step by step.
As a vocal empowerment coach, artist, and founder of the Artistic Freedom Mentorship—she’s helping musicians reconnect with their voice and grow their visibility.
In this empowerment podcast episode, we talk about:
- The Real Reason You Hold Back: How early experiences create visibility wounds—and what it takes to be seen.
- Beyond Confidence Tips: Real tools that shift your nervous system so self-belief becomes felt, not forced.
- Overcoming self-doubt in business & marketing: How growing your awareness starts with removing those internal self-doubt blocks
🎧 This episode is a must if you’ve felt stuck in a cycle of pushing and proving, or wondering why success or self-belief feels so out of reach.
TIMESTAMPS
03:20 — Why Self-Doubt in Business Isn’t About Strategy
10:47 — How to Believe in Yourself Without Forcing Confidence
18:15 — The Nervous System Link to Self Belief and Visibility
25:40 — Letting Go of Perfection: A New Way to Build Self-Belief
34:10 — Reclaiming Your Voice When Self-Doubt Creeps In
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“Self-doubt will always be there, but now I know how to move with it instead of against it.” – Cassandra Claude, Founder of Artistic Freedom Mentorship
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- Why self doubt in business is normal
- The mindset shift that helped Cassandra unlock true self belief
- How to believe in yourself before anyone else does
- Trusting your creative path even when it doesn’t make sense yet
- The role of community in building self belief
We talk a lot about confidence. We throw around terms like “boss energy” and “own your worth.” But no one really talks about what it feels like when self-doubt pulls up a chair and settles in like an old friend—especially in business, where everyone else looks like they’ve got it all figured out.
But what if believing in yourself isn’t about never doubting again? What if it’s about learning how to move forward with doubt, not after it’s gone?
Self-Doubt in Business Isn’t a Sign You’re Not Meant for It
Let’s get one thing straight: self doubt in business doesn’t disqualify you from being good at what you do. In fact, it’s often the clearest sign that you care deeply about getting it right.
You question yourself because it matters.
You hesitate because you’re thoughtful, not because you’re incapable.
Here’s something I keep close:
“Self-doubt will always be there, but now I know how to move with it instead of against it.”
That’s the shift. You don’t need to eliminate doubt—you need to stop letting it call the shots.
You’re allowed to show up unsure. You’re allowed to try, even when your voice shakes. Because belief doesn’t always roar. Sometimes it whispers, “Maybe I can…” and that’s enough.
Self Belief Isn’t Something You Wait For—It’s Something You Build
How to believe in yourself? Start by letting go of the idea that you need to feel ready.
You don’t.
Most of us are waiting for some magical moment when confidence arrives fully formed, like a package at the door. But that moment doesn’t come. Because self belief doesn’t drop in—it builds brick by brick, moment by moment, choice by choice.
“You don’t have to feel confident to act confident—belief comes from the doing.”
That’s the truth we don’t talk about enough. Every time you choose to show up, even when you’re unsure, you’re laying down another layer of belief. It’s not glamorous. It’s not Insta-worthy. But it’s real. And it works.
Every Version of You Led You Here
The one who doubted.
The one who hesitated.
The one who fumbled the pitch or ghosted the opportunity.
She’s part of your story—and she’s not a mistake.
“Every version of me that didn’t feel good enough still brought me here.”
There’s so much pressure to always show the polished version. But you’re allowed to honor the messy middle too. You don’t need to be proud of every moment, but you can still be proud of the journey. Because even the most unsure parts of you were trying. That counts for something.
You Don’t Need Permission—You Are the Permission
At some point, you have to decide: you’re not waiting anymore.
Not for someone to validate your idea.
Not for the right time.
Not for proof that you’re “good enough.”
“The moment I stopped waiting for external validation was the moment everything shifted.”
There’s something wildly powerful about no longer needing someone else to say, “Yes, you’re ready.” Because you are. You were the whole time. You just needed to say it to yourself.
The Real Truth About How to Believe in Yourself
Self-doubt loves a monologue. But belief? Belief starts with a question.
“I kept asking myself, ‘Why not me?’ until it became a truth I lived by.”
It’s such a simple prompt, but it hits deep. Why not you?
Why not your voice, your idea, your story?
The only thing standing in the way of that version of you who takes the chance, hits publish, or pitches the client—is the story you’ve been telling yourself.
Change the story. Ask better questions.
Choose to believe—even when it feels like a stretch.
Here’s the secret no one says out loud: You don’t have to be fearless. You don’t have to be loud. You don’t even have to be certain. You just have to be willing.
Willing to keep showing up.
Willing to trust yourself in the small things.
Willing to try, even when no one claps.
Self belief isn’t loud or shiny. Sometimes it looks like doing the thing while your stomach is in knots. Sometimes it sounds like a tiny, “Let’s try anyway.”
But every time you try, you prove to yourself that you can.
And that is how belief is born.
So if you’re sitting here, wondering if you’re allowed to do this—yes, you are.
If you’re waiting for a sign—this is it.
You don’t need to feel certain to be powerful.
You don’t need to have it all figured out to start.
What you need is already in you. The courage, the vision, the capacity. You don’t have to hustle for it. You just have to decide to trust it—even a little.
Because self belief isn’t about becoming someone new. It’s about remembering who you were before the world told you to doubt.
Ready to Feel Seen in the Messy Middle?
If this landed with you, you need to hear the full conversation that inspired it.
🎧 Listen to the full episode of Her First 3 Years.
Let it be your reminder that you’re not the only one who’s ever questioned it all—and you’re definitely not the only one who’s still showing up anyway.
You’ve got this. And we’re cheering you on—loudly.
FULL TRANSCRIPT WITH CASSANDRA CLAUDE AT ARTISTIC FREEDOM MENTORSHIP BELOW:
Chardét Ryel (00:00)
How do you move through self doubt? How do you go to that next level beyond talent to really creating an area where you thrive? This is a conversation that is much needed in all about that. I am speaking to Cassandra Claude. She is a voice professor. She’s a creative entrepreneur. Very interesting to just wait till you hear this and founder of artistic freedom.
mentorship. So she is guiding artists and musicians and leaders to unlock their voice, to really bring their ideas to life. And I feel like this is such a beautiful conversation and themes around how do we tap into what we most want to express and how do we find community around that. It’s an episode, not just for artists, not just for musicians, but for
anyone looking to have a little bit more alignment and creativity. I’ll see you inside. Welcome to her first three years from breakdowns to blunders, learn what worked and what didn’t. I’m your host, Sade, and whether you’re a new entrepreneur or you’re just starting something new, this is your space to learn and feel a little less alone.
Cassandra Claude (01:18)
it’s just really to be impactful in the music space. The idea that musicians, there’s so many gaps in the support for musicians outside of the technical aspect. And so I really just want to create programs, write books, just anything that holds space for musicians, singers, to thrive.
to thrive emotionally, creatively, and financially. And to not quit, because it’s a hard industry, you know? And to stay in it, you have to have more than just ambition. You need to be very grounded in yourself, in what you want to do, in your own mission, in your own purpose, and just to keep…
Chardét Ryel (02:07)
going.
I always wondered about this because I always wanted to be a singer, but I never had the natural voice. I know you can learn, but I just didn’t have that already. And I always felt like it must be so hard if you have this beautiful voice and you just want to sing and you’re not able to make a living from it. You’re not able to. And it’s just like you’re calling, but you’re not finding your way through. So I think there’s a huge gap that you some of the things maybe you can talk about, like how you’re supporting what you created.
Cassandra Claude (02:37)
lot of entrepreneurial mindset. You know, we, go to school for music and you know, not everybody does, but even in the space of just learning and taking lessons and all of that stuff, the entrepreneurial mindset is usually a gap that isn’t quite built, right? Community and also your team that will help you thrive. Just the voice itself, it’s such a deep and personal energy that we carry. Especially with singers, you have that feeling of like,
You want to show the world every part of you, but you also want to hide at the same time. And it’s like, you know, just really trying to keep that balance, but also really making a living doing it too. And it is so possible. I think a lot of people, especially on the outside assume that if you want to get into the arts, it’s going to be impossible for you to make money. There is money out there. There are opportunities out there. It’s just aligning yourself to them.
but that comes with the right mentorship, it comes with the right team, it comes with the right community and the network and all of that. And so my program is that type of ecosystem that creates all that collaboration, all that networking, all of that to just align with the right opportunities, what to say yes to, what to say no to, and just how to thrive overall.
Chardét Ryel (03:56)
How did you first decide to do this? What were the paths that kind of led you to create something that is so unique? I imagine you must have had a little bit of the experience of it, but I’m curious, like, what else happened to make you think, you know, we need to…
Cassandra Claude (04:12)
I knew that very early on that I wanted to teach, but I also had that entrepreneurial spirit and that ambition for as long as I can remember. I was the one, you know, you know, getting people to come over so I can tutor them. At some point through my studies in music, I started to realize that there was something internal that could be blocked. That could be, you know, like when you start dealing with the critiques.
of your teachers and, you know, and the judges and all of these things that you’re doing and how do you show up strong every time? And how do you just say, okay, like it’s everything is so subjective. Some people are going to love this. Some people are not. And, and it, so it really started with the intrinsic part. And then at some point I realized that the entrepreneurial part needed to come in stronger as well. I got my master’s in business. I started to see a pattern with my students.
they were falling short in how to put themselves out there, talented as ever. I happen to work with such amazing talent and they just couldn’t get themselves just out there enough. So they would get, you know, they would go to the plan B, get a side job or, you know, or something like that. And then everything would fall back. So then at some point I realized I got to come up with more solutions. When I think about what success looks like to me and feels like for me, I feel wildly successful.
And in that space, I wanted to teach other musicians how to feel that too. You can totally get up and love what you’re doing and you can totally wake up and feel like there’s impact to give. I’m here of purpose through my voice, through my sound, through my instrument and anything that I have, through my art, basically.
Chardét Ryel (05:54)
So there’s a few things that you said that really stick out. It’s so funny, the parallel between artists and entrepreneurs. In your case, they’re overlapping for the people you’re working with. For your own career, when you initially were doing this, was it you kind of always set out to be the person that would create this community and teaching, or was it you were creating first your musical career? And from that, you were like, okay, I see this, we really need to find some extra support in it. What was the path that way?
Cassandra Claude (06:23)
believe there’s like three stages to it. think that when you first start off, especially as an artist, it is about you. know, it is your own love. And I loved it, right? I loved music. I loved singing. And I loved entrepreneurship as a whole, right? I knew that I didn’t want to play small. I wanted it to be a grand thing. And as that started to grow and I started to put, align myself with the opportunities for myself, I…
began to start seeing and feeling that, wow, I could do this and do very well. And I can now have that third phase, which is being impactful and helping other people kind of guide through creating their own life for themselves and not feeling that they have to fall into any type of societal norm or standard because ⁓ especially as entrepreneurs, as artists, and the two coincide.
We always hear, are you sure? Are you sure you wanna do this? Do you have that plan B? It’s just that constant, not only am I sure, but it’s gonna happen. And I’m gonna align myself with all the best opportunities and seek out opportunities so that it can work.
Chardét Ryel (07:39)
when you were first starting, that I guess it would be stage two or like end of stage one for you. What was the first musician or the first artist you worked with or the first group? What was that experience like where you’re just starting to put this together, create it, starting to see some of maybe the common blocks and patterns?
Cassandra Claude (07:58)
I was like 22, 23. Well, it was a music school and I had no money, right? I couldn’t pay for an overhead. So what I had was like, it was the school that comes to you. I’m in the studio working with these amazing people. And I noticed that after every recording session, there were tears and crying and like, you know, that they didn’t feel like they sounded good or like someone said, you know, they got a critique that wasn’t that great. And you know, all of this stuff that just
kept occurring even through this amazing talent. And it was at that moment that I was just like, wow, even at the highest point of talent, you can have these internal blocks. doesn’t, it’s not, you’re not invincible to feeling like you can’t make it even with like this amazing, amazing talent.
Chardét Ryel (08:49)
When you say that, I got a little bit of shivers because I feel like it’s that moment where you realize that self-doubt doesn’t care about your talent.
Cassandra Claude (08:58)
Then my voice studio started to evolve as well. was working less with young people and then more with, it became older and older and older and then more professional. And still that pattern and all of that never, it looked a little different, right? But it never, never went away. And so I ended up writing a book about it from the book, the creation of artistic freedom mentorship program came about. And I even got into that without thinking that.
I was going to be the key of like, you know, knowing every single part. gathered all of my, my colleagues and even some of my, past students and, know, just did all of this collaboration, brought everybody in and I was just like, yeah, let’s, let’s really just give all that we’ve got and all that we know and our expertise in helping fill these holes that they’re missing. Cause the talent wasn’t the problem. Feel fully expressed.
no matter what and no matter what room you’re in.
Chardét Ryel (09:57)
bit more about the full feeling fully expressed because I think that transcends even the work that you’re doing and it’s something that anyone can really relate to especially if you’re creating your own venture or creating your own projects, creating your own way of life. Yeah.
Cassandra Claude (10:13)
of
being okay with critiques, good or bad. So, I say that being on stage is the number one, is the first thing that people are afraid of. And second is death, right? That layer of reminding them you’re really doing the bravest thing that 90 % of people are not comfortable doing. And so, if we can start there and just build from there and just say, and talk about being expressed in a way that you can show up as yourself, fully grounded and
and believing in yourself all the way through and through, at that point, there’s a layer of not caring too much about what people have to say. ⁓ Unless you’re using it to motivate you in some type of way, but you can flip the narrative to be a bit more positive in your mind instead of allowing external validation to stop you from moving.
So being fully expressed is almost not caring a bit. Here I am, this is what I do and I love it and love every part of it. And I’ll protect that love for it. You know, that’s the biggest thing. It’s like protecting that love. I think you’ll always have doubt here and there, but it’s allowing yourself being so strong in that expression that you can get back to you and get back to like, okay, this is just a moment and I can still move through it.
Chardét Ryel (11:38)
they want to be seen and really reveal themselves to the world and their audience, but at the same time, they don’t want to, right? It’s like the fear of the critique, the judgment. think anyone listening is going to experience that. Do you feel like when you’re doing this and what for you is kind of a visible milestone with your students where you feel like they are coming into really owning that authentic expression, where you feel like, okay,
Cassandra Claude (11:52)
Yeah.
Chardét Ryel (12:07)
This is someone who has moved past some of these blocks or patterns.
Cassandra Claude (12:12)
my gosh. When they start teaching it themselves and also being vulnerable enough to say what their flaws are and like being open enough to receive the feedback. But then they’re giving feedback on what they know they’re strong at, you know, and they’re very aware of what their strong skills are and what they need. It’s just the coolest thing to see when they start, you know, just opening up to each other and helping each other out.
Chardét Ryel (12:39)
where
I feel like you, what you’re doing with Artistic Freedom Mentorship combines all the elements of finding sustainable success because you’ve got the community where they’re interacting together. There’s the mentorship from not just you, but other people as well. The collaboration in it going deeper than just let’s refine the logistics of what you’re doing and making yourself a business, but let’s also look at like the inner work you need to do to step on that stage or be in front of all these people.
Cassandra Claude (13:10)
That’s yeah, nailed it. That’s exactly it. Yeah, it’s exactly it. definitely is like I said, an ecosystem for sure.
Chardét Ryel (13:17)
How
long, because I’m just thinking that every single person is going to evolve at a different pace with their growth and what they learn, how long do they stay in the mentorship? Or is it like they move through different paths? I mean, I’m just trying to visualize how it works when they’re going through these different stages themselves.
Cassandra Claude (13:36)
So they typically stick around for quite some time. I mean, we’re only in the third cohort, but we’ve had repeats, you know, so that’s been very cool to see. But also I know that some of them really loved the community aspect and that space that they’re, kind of in this, like, I guess this bubble with your tribe, you know, so they kind of go in for that. And yeah, they stick around for quite some time. My funnel right now is,
directly from my voice studio. I mean, I’ve had people, you know, with me off and on for 10 years that are now in the program. So it’s, it’s relationships that have been built for many years that are now coming through this program and being guided to venture out and do some type of mentorship on their own or through the program, because we do give opportunities to work in high schools and colleges and, know, and all of that stuff.
but some of them are doing that on their own and it’s just very cool.
Chardét Ryel (14:37)
It’s an interesting way to think about it though, that they even having worked with you for a while, they come in, find lots of value from this, they want to repeat, and then they take the skills to help other people, which is probably what you were always hoping for, right? It’s to create that kind of impact.
Cassandra Claude (14:55)
Absolutely. I have always imagined and envisioned a ripple effect. It’s not just me being the face of everything, but just kind of like the starting point and reminding them all the time that no matter what we choose to do in life, performing or not, or anything, it’s always of service. And if we can think in a way that we’re solving and helping people, it will always feel dear to us. It will always feel we have a reason to get up.
and do it all over again and deal with, you know, the weird critiques and judgments and some, some advice that doesn’t quite align with you, but it’s coming from a good place, you know, or just like, just find a job. And they mean well, but it’s just being able to move through all of that. Yeah.
Chardét Ryel (15:43)
Yeah, you definitely need support just for how to manage other people in your life who don’t understand.
Cassandra Claude (15:50)
Right. And most people don’t understand because it’s a risk. It’s a huge risk, you know, and most people don’t take such big risks like that. Also can’t deal with that extreme discomfort and disruption, you know, in your life, not just creatively, but in other aspects of your life, it all, it all kind of meshes in together. There’s, there’s a sense that you have to be really strong in your belief in what you want and your why and your
purpose behind it all so that you can get through all of that.
Chardét Ryel (16:24)
Yeah, it is one of the most difficult things, especially for what you’re doing with artists. think in entrepreneurship in general is very difficult no matter what you’re doing, but it is that what you were saying before, need something to offset the risk, which is going to be your impact. It’s going to be support from other people. And it’s going to be feeling like you actually are really aligned in what you’re doing and that if you are getting criticism, you’re able to take what helps.
and discard what doesn’t because it is not for the faint of heart this life.
Cassandra Claude (16:59)
Show up for the cause, show up for the impact, show up for yourself.
Chardét Ryel (17:03)
It’s so essential to be in a community for what you’re doing, like for anyone really listening to be in a community because otherwise you have these tears, you have these breakdowns, and if everyone around you is not choosing that kind of life, it feels like you’re the crazy one. Like you just are so lost and no one struggles this much and no one has this much doubt. And it’s only when you see other people who’ve been through it or are moving through it that you feel like, okay, I can get through because this is hard.
Cassandra Claude (17:34)
Absolutely. And I was just saying that the other day, you know, after the mentorship program and the mentees, once they’re gone, once it’s over, there’s a feeling of like, you’re getting back into civilian life. You know what I mean? And that’s where it really, it gets tough and in a weird way, it gets tougher after the program, like right after the program. So the support needs to be stronger when the program is over.
So which is why now moving forward, we’re gonna have like a placeholder, again, with that creative connect, is to make sure that that’s bridging from one cohort to the next and something that’s ongoing because after they’ve been together week after week and all this vulnerability is coming out and then all of a sudden they’re like, now what am I gonna do with my Monday nights? Like, what am I gonna do with my Wednesday nights? It hits them about a week or so after.
Chardét Ryel (18:28)
That’s a really interesting part to mention just for people who are entrepreneurs that are working with groups like this, cohorts like this, to think about what’s the next step after they finish your program or your coaching or your mentorship, because they will feel that way, right? Where they’re in the bubble and they’re so supported and motivated and accountable, and then you set them free and it’s just like crap. Now I have to be accountable on my own. I have to motivate myself.
I’m going to have to deal with like naysayers and trolls and everything else. What does that look like for you then when you think about once they move through the cohort? What is the bridge look like for them?
Cassandra Claude (18:58)
Exactly.
So right now, The Bridge is going to be creating that Creative Connect, which is a group that comes in ⁓ and they get to journal together, connect on what’s going on in life, networking and all of that stuff and opportunity. there is a facilitator that will do that and just have that moment once a week for about an hour and a half, just to kind of put things back into perspective if it went off throughout the week.
and celebrating the wins because, you know, the wins, that’s another thing. Not everybody understands, you know, those types of wins and what it’s like. And sometimes a win is just showing up. Sometimes a win is the way that you introduced yourself. You know what I mean? It’s just like, there’s so many little things that, you know, it’s just a win. And like, I think people in your tribe get it. They just get it.
Chardét Ryel (20:01)
That’s great because you’re then expanding and meeting people where they’re at, where maybe they’re not ready for the cohort or maybe they’ve kind of moved past that, but they still want something separate, creating. I mean, it sounds like you’ve always kind of created based on what your students needed and the feedback and what you’re witnessing as opposed to just saying, I think we need this and I’m going to make it.
Cassandra Claude (20:24)
Yep, exactly. Exactly. And I would say that they have been my teachers in a lot of ways. They have taught me so much. I had thoughts in my head always. I had ideas in my head always. But there’s pacing in my vision that has come through them, you know, and just like it has evolved through them and I love all of them. And they’re just like such great.
humans are such great people. And there definitely is that reflective thing that’s happening every time I work with them.
Chardét Ryel (20:59)
What do you think is one of the one or two of the biggest things that they made you see or realize or that you learned from them? And it can even go back because I know you’ve been doing this a long time. So it might be something earlier on or it might be something more recent.
Cassandra Claude (21:14)
Yeah, well, I mean, the program is new. The program is within like a year and a half or so. that’s pretty new, like a year. And so that’s pretty new. But the support, more than anything, I think it’s really interesting that once now that they are in a group and in a cohort, somebody says something and then they’re like, my gosh, I thought I was the only one that felt that. They’re hearing it from their mentor, but it’s something else to hear it from their peers.
where I can say, there’s a lot of people that feel that way, that feels good that I’m saying it. But once they actually hear their peers saying it, it sits in very differently.
Chardét Ryel (21:55)
The
peer support aspect is really a more vital one. think the more the way that entrepreneurship and group training evolves, because I’m even thinking that when you do one-to-one coaching, for example, or training as I’m sure you’ve done, it can be really transformative, but it’s so different even if you have, let’s say, two people together that are peers. For them to hear the same stuff that’s happening at the same time.
versus you, you’re kind of a little bit removed, right? Like you have gone through these stages and so they need your guidance, but at the same time, they need to hear someone else saying, I’m experiencing this right now. So we’re coming towards the end, but I want to ask two questions. So one is, I was just thinking about this and I know it’s going to transcend even what you’re doing. So that’s why I think it’s a really important question that is around.
When you speak to people who finally join the cohort or even who just work with you one-on-one, what are some of the reasons they’ve given for why they didn’t join sooner? What was stopping them?
Cassandra Claude (23:01)
Yeah, this is all gonna be a very interesting journey to measure everything that’s happening and their feedback and what’s going on and in their minds before, after, who decides to wait. And just like in anything you’re building, ⁓ there are people that are the types that stand in line for the first model of something. then there’s people that just need to see a couple models pass and they’re like,
Chardét Ryel (23:30)
iPhone 12.
Cassandra Claude (23:32)
Yeah, they’re like, okay, you know, like now I’m ready for that. And so, you know, I think that in general that that is just something in entrepreneurship when you’re building something like that, you’re gonna, you’re gonna come across those two kinds of people, you know, first in line and when like, let me see people go through it. You know, and wait.
Chardét Ryel (23:50)
That’s
so true. That’s such a good distinction to mention that sometimes it’s just about how are you messaging targeting? Are you looking at both early adopters? Like you’re saying the people who are ready, they don’t care if the plane is being made, they’re ready to jump in. And then the people who want to know like this has been crash certified a thousand times.
Cassandra Claude (24:12)
exactly two kinds of people, you know?
Chardét Ryel (24:15)
That’s so funny. is for, so follow up question for that a little bit is not thinking about the objections anymore. So we already shared some reasons why people might wait, why it might take them a little longer. How do you see taking into account the feedback you’ve been getting so far, the business evolving or even just this specific cohort program evolving in the next couple of years? I’m sure it will change after this goes live.
But right now, what do you think is the vision?
Cassandra Claude (24:46)
Yeah, it’ll definitely change and it’s been changing. Every, every cohort has been a bit different. Right now, my thoughts is, is that it’s going to be more of like a conference. So five days back to back right now it’s spread out in weeks and I’m thinking it’s going to be like a very strong five day intensive. So, I mean, it’s a lot to process in general.
So, you the thoughts in my head were just like, okay, you know, is it even more to process if it’s back to back? But in my mind right now, you know, as of today, if I do it that way, it’s just another thing that I’ll measure. But I think that that is probably how it’s going to stick. But you never know. I know my goal is really just on the mission. So if it turns out where it has to be spread out in weeks again, or that five day was just a bit too much, I mean, we’ll see. We are dealing with artists.
So I definitely do have to measure quite a bit on their feedback and how they’re taking it.
Chardét Ryel (25:49)
such an innovative way to evolve this. I never would have guessed that you would have said that’s the next stage for it. That to take this mentorship and create it as a conference that I’m imagining, and I’ll ask you a follow-up question here. What is the thinking behind creating it in that format?
Cassandra Claude (26:11)
There’s a lot to process in general, but I also feel like I want to build such a strong community. And I think when they’re just together, like back to back for, you know, hours on end, I do think there’s going to be a lot more connection. So I’m thinking this way right now because of the community aspect more so than anything. Yeah.
Chardét Ryel (26:36)
be an incredible way to bring community together and something that people look forward to. They make the time to do it, to be bent, to not be distracted, be among their peers in such a big way. I love this idea. It’s super exciting. So that people can see how this evolves and maybe they’re even interested now in knowing more about what you do. Where can listeners connect and how are the ways that they could work with you? Also, if you want to mention specifically who you work with.
Just in case someone listening doesn’t fall into that group, maybe they know someone who does.
Cassandra Claude (27:11)
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of right now, musicians that are already doing the work, they’re performing, they’re doing things, they’re not ⁓ necessarily in a space of just full on beginnings. This is more people that are, you know, just kind of already there on that journey and might feel like they need a little bit more guidance. They might feel like they’re a little stuck somewhere or something that’s like being blocked. And that’s who I work with.
Right now I’m working mainly with singers, but all musicians are invited to join. So yeah, you can find me at Kastandra at artisticfreedommentorship.com and website artisticfreedommentorship.com. My Instagram is there’s two, but there’s Dassey Classy Cassie, which I never changed it to like the vocal code or whatever. And there’s artistic.freedom.mentorship. It’s another Instagram.
Chardét Ryel (28:10)
Perfect. We will include in the show notes all of those links so that you can connect with Cassie. And I think also for anyone listening, if you know someone who could benefit, please share the episode because I think it’s a great way for them to learn a little bit more about what you do. And thank you so much for being here, for inspiring. And thank you so much for listening. Again, share this with anyone in your life who is in
Honestly, I think any entrepreneur can really benefit because this idea of finding our way, our drive, even when the world around us is stopping us is a universal theme. This is the episode to share with them. And if you found it to be helpful, please let us know in the reviews. When people come to this show, the first thing they do is look at a review to see which episodes can most help them. And you know, as entrepreneurs, as artists,
We create community, we find answers together. And so the more of that, better. I will see you in the next one.
