Topics: Overcoming Fear of Failure in Business, Startup Challenges, Female Founders Pivot
Growing a Powerful Brand and Overcoming Fear of Failure in Business…
What if the only thing standing between you and a successful brand isn’t your idea—but your fear of failing?
If you’re navigating startup challenges, afraid of launching before it’s perfect, or secretly Googling “how to get bootstrap better,” this one is for you!
Emily Kenison—lawyer-turned-inventor, founder of Robe Curls and Straplets, and viral sensation—talks overcoming fear of failure in business. She shares how she bootstrapped two inventions while working full-time, taught herself manufacturing and marketing from scratch, and made the kind of female founders pivot most people only talk about after they’ve “made it.”
This isn’t a glossy success story. This is the real behind-the-scenes—where ideas get knocked off and you’re forced to trust your instincts louder than your fear.
What you’ll learn:
- Launching Before Perfect – Why waiting for the perfect product is just another form of fear, and how momentum—not perfection—builds businesses.
- Scaling Under Pressure – How Emily handled copycats, viral demand, and burnout while holding her vision
- Funding & Freedom – The honest truth about investor conversations, bootstrapping, and staying in control as a female founder.
- Pivots That Pay Off – How to make a strategic female founders pivot when your first plan stops working.
Listen because you won’t just feel inspired—you’ll understand exactly how small brave moves can turn one idea into a powerful business!
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 – Idea to $1M with Smart Marketing
02:28 – Leaving law: Emily’s first Startup Challenges
05:46 – Launching imperfectly & overcoming fear of failure in business
12:17 – The Today Show feature & viral moment
13:11 – Copycats, legal battles & female founders pivot
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MORE ABOUT THIS FEMALE FOUNDERS PODCAST EPISODE
“You have to launch before it’s perfect. Waiting for all the pieces to line up perfectly will only stall your growth and make those startup challenges even harder.” – Emily Kenison, founder of Robe Curls
Connect with Emily Kenison
Website: https://www.robecurls.com/
Instagram: @robecurls
- Launching Before Perfect
- Bootstrapping & Startup Funding
- Iterating & Feedback With Customers to Improve
- Instagram Marketing
- Scaling & Overcoming Obstacles
What if the thing holding you back isn’t a lack of time, money, or strategy—but the fear of getting it wrong?
For so many women in their first three years of business, the journey isn’t just about learning systems and strategies. It’s about overcoming fear of failure in business while you’re already juggling self-doubt, financial pressure, and the invisible mental load of being a first-time founder.
This is why the story of Emily Kenison, founder of RobeCurls® and Straplets®, matters. She didn’t start with investors, a polished business plan, or a team of experts. She started with a problem she wanted to solve, a DIY prototype made at her kitchen table, and the willingness to look foolish in the name of creating something meaningful.
Her path is not a linear success story. It’s a raw portrait of resilience—crowded days, collapsing prototypes, viral chaos, copycats, funding gaps, and the moments where quitting would have been the easier choice. And yet, she didn’t quit.
If you’ve ever wondered whether your idea is worth pursuing, this is the story—and the strategy—you need.
The Early Days—From Lawyer to Female Inventor
Before she was featured on The Today Show or went viral on Instagram, Emily Kenison was a lawyer working long hours in New York. But like many female founders, her creativity didn’t fit neatly into her job description.
She had an idea: a heatless hair curling tool that didn’t damage hair, didn’t require electricity, and could be worn comfortably. It didn’t exist in the market the way she envisioned it—so she made it herself.
Wire. Fabric scraps. A sewing machine she barely knew how to use. No investors. No background in fashion or manufacturing. Just obsession and curiosity. Emily didn’t launch when the product was flawless. She launched because waiting any longer would have meant never starting at all.
“There are always going to be iterations. You learn from your customers. That’s part of the process nobody prepares you for.”
This is what overcoming fear of failure in business looks like in real time—not waiting for confidence, but acting before it arrives.
Startup Challenges Are Not Signs You’re Failing—They’re Proof You’re Building
Every founder romanticizes success until they’re in the trenches of manufacturing delays, packaging decisions, shipping confusion, and social media crickets.
Emily faced nearly every major Startup Challenge possible:
- No funding to cover inventory
- Manufacturers who didn’t take her seriously
- Friends who didn’t understand why she was risking her legal career
- A product that needed constant changes
- The exhaustion of working two full-time jobs: lawyer by day, inventor by night
But she kept going—not because she wasn’t scared, but because she didn’t want to look back and wonder “What if?”
Money Doesn’t Make You Start—Momentum Does
Funding is the roadblock that stops many entrepreneurs before they begin. But Emily bootstrapped everything.
She used a portion of her salary every month to buy supplies, test products, and ship early orders. She reinvested every dollar back into the business.
“You just start. You start to see success. That’s why I believe so strongly in women-invented products—because even with limited funding, you can still survive and thrive.”
Most businesses don’t fail because the idea is bad. They fail because the founder hides the idea for too long, waiting for perfection.
Emily chose the opposite. She tested publicly. She let early customers critique her. She improved in real time.
This is how you overcome fear of failure in business—you replace fear with data.
The Feedback Loop That Built the Brand
- Prototype → Test → Adjust
- Listen more than you defend
- Let your customers shape the final version
As Emily improved her product, she also built confidence—not from affirmations, but from proof. A few months after launching, everything changed.
The Today Show featured RobeCurls®.
Then Instagram exploded.
Then TikTok creators started posting.
Then orders flooded in faster than her team could fulfill them.
Visibility wasn’t the problem. Sustaining it was. Emily was still hand-packing orders. Inventory sold out quickly. Scaling became a race against reality.
And yet, this visibility became the turning point—not just for sales, but for trust.
Key lesson:
You don’t need a perfect strategy to go viral. You need a story people want to share and a product that solves a real problem.
When Success Creates New Problems: The Female Founders Pivot
Here’s the part Instagram doesn’t show:
With visibility came copycats. Other companies began duplicating her design. Manufacturers ignored her patents. Cheaper versions of her product appeared on Amazon.
Emily had two choices:
- Burn out trying to fight everything.
- Or make a female founders pivot—and reinvent.
She chose option two.
Overcoming Fear of Failure in Business Starts Here
The women who build impactful businesses don’t have less fear—they simply don’t let it lead.
They launch while they’re still learning. They take feedback instead of taking offense. They pivot before things burn down. They keep going not because it’s easy, but because they can’t stand the thought of never trying.
And if Emily’s story proves anything—it’s this:
You don’t need to be fearless to begin. You just need to be willing to start while your hands are still shaking.
If you’ve ever hesitated to hit “publish,” delayed a launch because it wasn’t perfect, or wondered if your idea really matters—Emily Kenison’s story is your permission to begin.
Every successful founder you admire has stood exactly where you are—scared, unsure, and wildly unqualified.
But they moved anyway.
TRANSCRIPT WITH EMILY KENISON, FOUNDER OF ROBE CURLS
Chardét Ryel (00:00)
What happens when you create a product that you don’t even market initially and then it gets so big that national TV picks it up, you have everyone talking about it, you make over million in the first year because it is something that women have been waiting for? That is our conversation today, but it’s also about
The other side of this, you know, some of the challenges of starting a new business, of scaling a product, of reaching that next stage. We always want to give you both sides. And our guest today is so inspiring, so honest, so open about that. And her name is Emily Kennison. She is the founder of Robe Curls and Straplets. I also love sharing her story with you because she is someone who wasn’t always a founder.
and wasn’t always an inventor. She actually had a day job before that. And I think that’s super inspiring for those of us that are still figuring out how do we want to go forward in our business and our creative lives. So listen, get ready to be incredibly inspired by Emily.
Welcome to her first three years. From breakdowns to blunders, learn what worked and what didn’t. I’m your host, Sade, and whether you’re a new entrepreneur or you’re just starting something new, this is your space to learn and feel a little less alone. I’ll see you inside.
Emily Kenison (01:29)
We’ve achieved incredible success that I never in my wildest dreams imagined. Checked all the boxes that I had seen as the goalposts of what defined success, but then just so many incredible hard challenges.
Chardét Ryel (01:49)
I feel like that is ⁓ so almost reassuring to hear because when you see people who’ve achieved a certain level of success, whether that be visibility, sales or both, you kind of forget sometimes the person behind it and then also some of the mechanics and the growing pains and the lessons that are still happening as you continue to grow. So I really appreciate, I’ll ask you a bit more of that, but I want to first take us more to the beginning.
of where it all started because you were not always a founder or an inventor. So what was your pre-entrepreneur life?
Emily Kenison (02:28)
So before this, I was a lawyer. I worked in a big law firm and I started inventing products while I was at the law firm using my salary to bootstrap along the way. First invention straplets, which were for women’s high heels. It was starting to pick up, left my job right before the pandemic when high heels totally stopped being worn completely. That gave me the space to then start another invention and hence Robe Curls was born.
Chardét Ryel (02:57)
How many products have you created since you even when you were doing it more as a hobby or part-time to now and how many iterations of your most successful ones have you done?
Emily Kenison (03:09)
my goodness. How many products? I think we’re at like nine different patents at this time, patented innovations that are like ready to go that haven’t been launched yet. And then in terms of road curls was definitely the heatless curling headband. The original version has been biggest success iteration wise. I have no idea. Upwards of 30, 40. I mean, we still iterate. It’s every production run. If we can make something better, we do. And we’re always taking customer feedback. you know.
There’s always an iteration process happening.
Chardét Ryel (03:42)
What was the first, because this makes me think about what did the first robe curls look like? The prototype, the one before you got someone else to make it, just like the very first.
Emily Kenison (03:53)
I remember I went to Joanne’s Fabrics and just picked up a bunch of stuff. was using wire. I mean, this is like the first robe curls version, but they had wire that was used for floral designing. So like I was playing with like that type of wire, different fabrics. I bought a sewing machine. I didn’t know how to sew. So I taught myself how to sew. I also bought like fabric glue because the sewing wasn’t going to work. This will be faster. And batting and all that stuff. So that was like the first real like prototype.
But with that said before that, I was cutting up things in my house, literally leggings, anything you could find around the house to try out in different shapes and sizes. And then once that was good, that’s when I brought in someone to help with the production.
Chardét Ryel (04:35)
love hearing that bit of it because for people who watch the video, you can see in the background the products currently, which is so pretty, so polished. And you don’t see that at one point in time it was a bit of wire or cut up legging.
Emily Kenison (04:50)
Yeah. And Sade, the truth is, so before Robe Curls, there was Curl Scarf. So I launched Robe Curls, the OG beta version back in June of 2020, like five months after I had the idea for it. I didn’t care what the name was. I just wanted to get it to market fast and iterate it in market. So that’s when all of the changes were really happening in real time. Production runs were 20 units, 30 units. You we sell out in two days, but we weren’t marketing.
We didn’t care really what the marketing looked like at that time. The packaging, I can send you pictures, but it was extremely different. It was only once we knew the product was perfect. We had developed fabrics for it. We had done all these things to really perfect it with the customer feedback that we had gotten the supply chain figured out so that we could handle a proper scale that we launched Robecurls and glossed it up. So there was a year and a half pretty much between the two.
Chardét Ryel (05:46)
Maybe this is a natural tendency for your personality. I don’t know. But the idea, this is only something I now 12 years in as an entrepreneur have become okay with, which is iterating with it already out there. Like putting out the imperfect early version. And as a product, especially, I see how important that is because you have to see how people use it and they think of things that you didn’t think of. But how comfortable or not comfortable did that feel for you the first time?
Emily Kenison (06:15)
It was comfortable, but I also didn’t tell anyone. Parents saw me noodling, but I wasn’t even going to tell them because it was on the heels of my first, I wouldn’t say failed invention, but stalled invention. I’m so proud of the product, so proud of the business. It’s still done amazing things. But I also learned a lot from that first invention, from Straplets, because I started that in 2014. I only launched it once all the patents were granted, once the product…
was perfect once the website was, once I had photo shoots and did all this stuff. And that was 2018. So four years later, I’d been working on this and I launched it and it started to do well, the pandemic hit and all of a sudden it doesn’t matter. There are always going to be iterations that you need to make anyway, as you learn from your customers. And then also Strapless was fashion inspired. And so the trend that I first designed was based on a trend.
Valentino that later by the time I launched was like no longer that much in style. So there’s the other side of it too.
Chardét Ryel (07:17)
Two with the patents, I imagine there’s also a wait time when you’re trying to get it through. There’s also that process as well, isn’t there?
Emily Kenison (07:25)
There is a long process. Usually utility patents can take three years on average. So you can wait or you can go.
Chardét Ryel (07:36)
What has kept you going with this then? Because you now have created multiple products. You’ve got the nine patents you’ve done since 2014, really, you’ve been doing this, even if it was in combination with a full-time job initially. What is it that is keeping you driving forward, especially when there’s the moments that are really difficult or that feel like going backwards?
Emily Kenison (07:57)
our customers, really just the broader idea that women, we deserve better products. And pretty much like all the products that we use, they were invented or created by men at some point in time. have curling irons that was invented by a man over a hundred years ago. And once something is in the market, I’ve learned that it really sticks. And when you look at innovation, tends to be more of a format than the actual product itself.
When you give it that critical eye, like how can this be better? What can I make it different and actually work better? You’re creating and putting something into the world that is actually wanted. You see that it really makes a difference in people’s lives. mean, and then that’s the coolest part. The number of times I’ve talked to our customers is through the roof. And that’s really what keeps me going on my blue day. You know, I still have my curl talks, which are one-on-one virtual consultations and they always pick me up. And it’s just so.
incredible to hear how such a simple, seemingly simple innovation has really helped their lives, a way to give back.
Chardét Ryel (09:00)
The bigger mission, because yeah, I could see how if you’re waiting up to sometimes three years for your patents to come through, you’re doing multiple iterations. It can be so tiring. And then coming back, the end goal here is to make their lives a little bit easier, to make process that they have to do often. Like I know so many women who were curling with curling iron every morning to get ready, spending sometimes an hour to do it, right? Or more, depending on how much hair.
And think about how much time you’re losing by doing that.
Emily Kenison (09:35)
Exactly. I forgot what the exact number is, but it’s like in the end, it’s two and a half years of your life. It’s something crazy that you’ve spent in the bathroom curling your hair and styling it. The other part that really frustrated me and drove me to do a second invention on the heels of a first one, like I did not want to, but I was really frustrated by this. My hair does not hold a curl with a curling iron. Hot tools do not work for me. I would always buy the new innovation. I would always think it’s my hair’s fault.
And then I find out through our own research, and I’m not alone in these heatless air styling, wet and set curls is actually going to create curls that last so much longer if you use the right fabrics even longer. So our curls, they last for a full day when normally my hair would go flat an hour. That’s the other side. It’s like we’re using tools that are ineffective for a hundred years and there are better ways, healthier ways.
Chardét Ryel (10:28)
This is why we need more female inventors. Like you were saying before that we get stuck on a form for doing things that is often sometimes 100 years old. And then there’s no thought to, fine, the result is what we want, but what about the whole process to get there? the amount of, like something you said just now too that stuck with me is the amount of times we blame ourselves for a product not working for us.
Like you were saying, I thought it was my hair, not the curling iron’s fault. And I hear that all the time with every product that exists, even clothes, right? It’s my body that’s the problem, not the sizing.
Emily Kenison (11:10)
We blame ourselves and it’s so hard to get out of that mindset. I think having been in as a businesswoman and in this space, I’ve seen just how this is not our fault. I don’t want to be that company. What we say we stand by. I mean, the beauty industry, they really don’t have standards that they have to adhere to, unlike the FDA. So like we say five times longer than your curling iron. That’s true. It’s backed by literal science. But you could make any claim. We could say 500 times.
It doesn’t matter and that part also blew my mind.
Chardét Ryel (11:42)
Sometimes you see just because it’s written on a package, it must be true. And you don’t realize that there’s so much lack of regulation. This is true in the wellness space as well, where I originally was in. People can claim anything because it’s just not, there’s no censoring of it. You didn’t initially market so much this product. And that I think is incredible considering how much visibility you’ve gotten since.
Emily Kenison (11:59)
It’s crazy.
Chardét Ryel (12:09)
What was the moment that led up to it becoming viral where you thought, ⁓ my gosh, I can’t believe that this many people are talking about this.
Emily Kenison (12:17)
A month after we launched the Today Show, it’s a writer at the Today Show, Danielle, she made this whole entire feature about road curls and how incredible it is. I mean, that took off like a lightning bolt and we were in the Today Show holiday gift guide. And all of a sudden, it’s like we inventory we had ordered for, you know, six months is out in four days. Our first year we did 1.7 million in sales, which is nuts to me, you know, that said.
We’ve had so many challenges.
Chardét Ryel (12:49)
It’s incredible what you did, especially for a product which is pretty accessible price-wise. So it’s not as if each one is a thousand dollars per unit to make that money. But it’s also, yeah, like the challenges that come up. What were the initial challenges in that first year? And then what have been some of the more recent challenges that you’re finding as you move through the evolution of it?
Emily Kenison (13:11)
One of the wildest things was when we first launched Robe Curls, there was nothing in the market like it. When I was doing my product testing, there were rollers and spoolies and things that dated back to the 90s and the 50s, but no innovation since then and they didn’t create the curls we wanted. So to see this market go from like literally first entrant, you know, we set a really phenomenal bar and we dealt with an insane 3000 counterfeit.
knockoff sellers a week can’t keep up and they copied everything. All of our images, pictures of me as the founder, the packaging, everything was identical until you get the product and it was trash. That was insanely challenging issue in the more modern era. It’s a newer problem post pandemic, the scale at which this is happening, but we survived it after a full year.
Chardét Ryel (14:06)
I am a little bit curious, how do you fight something like that when you have so many people copying it? And I imagine too the frustration there is that you have such a high quality product and they don’t know that what they’re getting is not what you’ve created. And then they get it and then they think this is crap. Like this isn’t good. This isn’t what people say.
Emily Kenison (14:27)
Yeah. I remember we launched in FabFitFun and they have a community message forum and people were saying, this is a cheap Alibaba product. We’ve seen this everywhere. I was like, my God, that’s not us. It’s a cheap Amazon. No, it’s not us. And that really hurt. You don’t even have time to build your brand before your brand’s taken away essentially.
Chardét Ryel (14:46)
This
is what also blew my mind and I tried product businesses unsuccessfully. So I have so much admiration for you, but I’ve been on the service side, which also can be copied by the way for anyone listening, was so surprised by something you said, because this also happened to me. I really felt like you wouldn’t have to deal with this kind of competition or scamming or trolls until you were
already really established and then you would be able to have the resources, the time, et cetera, to deal with it. My opening moment was you don’t. No.
Emily Kenison (15:19)
You don’t. That’s exactly it. You don’t. You just start. You start to see success. And that’s why I’m such a big believer in women invented products because women don’t get VC funding. Women have such limited access to capital, bank loans, all these things, credit lines. You can’t get it if you’re a new business. You have to be two years. So if you have a woman who invented a product and she’s still around, her business is still around several years later in spite of all the knockoffs.
in spite of all that, then you gotta trust that she poured her heart and soul into that product and it’s better than anything else out there. That’s the only way she could survive.
Chardét Ryel (15:57)
I know this is a complicated question. I don’t want to go too much into it because there’s so much of your story for us to talk about. But I am curious, what is one possible way to combat this kind of thing where you’re dealing with so many people internationally, diminishing the perception of the product? Do you just kind of move forward and try to produce the best you can? Do you like change packaging? I mean, what do you do?
Emily Kenison (16:20)
If anyone’s going through this, and I’m so sorry if you are, I’m more than happy, always free, available to talk with you and help you through this because it is heart-wrenching if you’re going through it and it is so hard financially, emotionally. And on the legal front, there are Schedule A lawsuits that you can file, which allow you to sue up to 400 defendants in a single lawsuit. There are only certain jurisdictions that do it.
nuances, yada yada, but I’m more than happy to help you navigate. There are also websites that help you take down counterfeits supposedly, but be careful because I’ve learned a lot of those are kind of scammy. There are some firms that do it really well. I would give a shout out to Edison IP as well. Phenomenal, but it took me a long time to figure out that this combination is what you need. And then emotionally find someone who’s been through because
it is so hard and just having the conversations with someone who can relate really does help.
Chardét Ryel (17:14)
This is where I think it’s so helpful to speak to you because that’s kind of the whole purpose of this show is so that people can hear conversations from people who’ve experienced maybe what they’re going through now or what they might go through just to understand it. ⁓ As I told you before versus the like, hey, here’s how I made all my millions and everything worked out amazing.
Emily Kenison (17:39)
It’s very true. The world has shifted. It’s a different era.
Chardét Ryel (17:43)
What
you think would make it easier for female founders, not just of products, but because you mentioned it before, and I can see this too, this lack of access to funding, lack of access to mentorship, lack of access to community. Are there any ways that we can sort of combat that or resources we can find? Or if someone’s sitting there thinking, I just don’t know where to even begin with this.
Emily Kenison (18:07)
just taking one step at a time. Funding is the most imperative for women. If you have that success, you need that access to capital. We couldn’t keep up with our initial sales for the first three years of our business because we just didn’t have enough money for the inventory while dealing with other things as well, which affects cash flow. But still,
Access to cash is what you need to really keep up with the pace and be able to expand. Access to capital is really what’s stalling innovation and then also looking at, but like VCs do support because when something’s hot and trendy, they just pour money into it they don’t necessarily like innovation. They want something that’s a tried and true space. In terms of where to start though, give yourself a framework of where you want it to end. Where do you want this to go in the end? I’ve talked with, I have one amazing
female founder friend, Deborah from Plant Trap. invented Railscapes. They’re these amazing plant holders that can sit on your railings. She’s incredible. Her vision of how she wanted to build her company, she wanted to license it, she knew who the company was, she started those conversations while she was prototyping and she’s achieved each and every step. She’s like, I don’t want to work on this 24-7. I don’t want to run a big company. Keeping that framework in mind, there’s always other alternatives and exploring those and kind of having that.
So you have a roadmap of where you’re going.
Chardét Ryel (19:28)
I think that’s one of the biggest lessons that people will hear from this is the idea of what you were saying even earlier about how don’t wait to have all of the things in a row perfectly because one, it’s just not going to work anyway. And two, start already thinking about what’s the next step for what you’re going to be doing. Because yeah, I’ve had these conversations with people too where they’re like, I’m going to do this first and then I’m going to go and reach this and then I’m going to do this.
And it just doesn’t work in that linear way.
Emily Kenison (20:01)
Very
true. You know, while I was working through it, I’m like, want to land a mass retailer. got us into Walgreens three months after we launched Robecurls. Having never been in retail, didn’t have a broker. We did a phenomenal job there. Wanted get us into Target, you know, so got us into Target, 1200 doors. Wanted to sell a million dollars worth. Did that in our first six months. Like it was all these things that you’re checking the boxes for. However, what is that like end goal? Because you check them, but that’s not
You’re going through these ups and downs and what is your end goal? What are your boundaries as well? Like if this happens, I think I’m going to reconsider things or reevaluate and pivot.
Chardét Ryel (20:41)
when you get these really big goals that you had set and you see them, there is the thought of, well now what? What’s next? Because you achieved it. It happens and it happens much faster than expected as well.
Emily Kenison (20:53)
Yeah. Now what? Um, we have some exciting things in the work. Just brought on Alex Gabori who’s been with us since the beginning. mentioned she’s over here in the- Alex, love her to pieces. She’s a YouTuber for, I think it’s 11 years now. She’s like OG influencer. Like I think Vine was still around back then. She’s incredible. She’s all about healthy hair, hair styling, and she’s such a good-
Chardét Ryel (21:03)
model yes
Emily Kenison (21:22)
person with her community. She’s an honest. So she’s coming on as a co-founder at this point to really help take on that side of educating and teaching everyone how to use our new lines of innovations that we’ll be launching. So she’s amazing. Yeah.
Chardét Ryel (21:39)
will
update this episode once the secrets are out so people know what to expect. I love that you are doing this now, that the next evolution is actually in collaboration because I feel like that’s so much where the world is going now where if you can find someone who has a lot of strengths in the areas where you need to evolve and change and bring the business to the next level, it’s so powerful to let go a little bit and let someone come on and do that.
Emily Kenison (22:09)
Yes, completely agree. Whether it’s working with other businesses, supporting other founders, collaborating, bring so much more heart and soul to everything too.
Chardét Ryel (22:19)
So we are excited to see what the new to be revealed secrets are. And for anyone that’s listening and they want to follow you, want to follow RobeCurls, they want to follow the brands, how can they do that?
Emily Kenison (22:32)
You can follow RobeCurls at RobeCurls on our Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, email us, our website.
Chardét Ryel (22:39)
Thank
you. Thank you so much for being such an energetic guest and for sharing so openly. feel like this episode will especially resonate with people because it feels like a real conversation. You know, we really got into your journey and to every part of it and how it’s evolving. So thank you for being so honest and just relatable and so kind as well.
Emily Kenison (23:01)
Thank you so much for having me today. It’s been an absolute pleasure.
Chardét Ryel (23:05)
And thank you so much for listening. Please share this one, especially with any female founder you know, and if they’ve got a product, even more so than because you know how we get so tied up with self doubt and we think things have to be perfect to release them. And we just really hold ourselves back from releasing into the world and having the impact that each of us is capable of having. So I hope this conversation inspired you.
and I will see you in the next one. If you laughed, learned or felt a little less alone, please leave a review on Apple or Spotify and subscribe! Come back for more! We’re building a community of women to tear down the BS around business and grow in real, ways. Together!
